Regarding the Book of Ecclesiastes.

In the 1950s Pete Seeger made part of this outlier Biblical Text into a song.
To everything (Turn, turn, turn)
There is a season (Turn, turn, turn)
And a time to every purpose under heaven

It's an odd text to have survived the redactions and supression through which many ancient texts have been lost.

A time of love, a time of hate
A time of war, a time of peace
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing...

This section is not quite as problematic as the rest of the book, which paints humanity in fatalistic terms. There's no mention of any divine agency, only the natural and inescapable rotation of the seasons and human folly, love and malevolence.

Pete played it on banjo, after WWII ended, while the world was in the throes of an unchecked arms race. What would the next turn be, he seems to be asking.

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time of love, a time of hate

And then Pete, a pacifist, adds a line of his own. A line with a measure of hope:

I swear its not too late.

Almost a generation later, the song behomes a numer one hit then the folk rock band tThe Byrds record it. That was the Vietnam era. A time of hate and Hippie Love. Again, these swore it was not too late.

E. Writer I never made the connection from that verse to the Bible verse. Thank you for sharing this.

Roy Scarbrough Here's another from the E book: "Eat, drink and be merry..." It's odd thing to have remained in either the Hebrew or Christian sacred texts. It's Epicurean.

Regarding cigarettes
I see they can now cost $14 a pack in New York. The pack that George Floyd purchased with a counterfeit $20 at the Cups Food mart in Minnesota might have been around $11.

Here's one of the sad parts of that awful incident. As soon as George left the store, the clerk realized George had handed him a fake $20. The clerk didn't want any drama, but he was obliged to tell his boss. The boss tells the clerk to go out and bring George back into the store. George was sitting in his car. The clerk says, oh just put the $20 on my account. The boss says, no, you go out and bring him back into the store. The clerk goes out to talk to George, but George doesn't want drama either, so he stays in his car. The boss then calls the cops. One of them kills George by slow suffocation.


E. Writer Chatgpt, I always said, is a bit of a jerk. It is argumentative amd sometimes interprets statements in an way that allows it to argue. I think you would have better interactions with Claude. Gpt is too biased towards whatever it learned from its training data.

Roy Scarbrough The human brain someties will link a thing in random way that the Chatbot. I was recalling buying a pack of cigarettes at a gas station vending machine that only accepted change. Somehow that clicked on the George Floyd story, and lead me to wonder what cigarettes cost these days. I will also mention that the nursing home I walk past every day has a special "smokers patio". That makes sense, when what's left of life is short, why force someone into weeks of nicotine withdraw for a decision they made at age 14 sixty years ago. It's kindness based on inescapable reality.

I like Claude better, and budget my time on it more carefully while on the free plan. Clause gets the the literary discussions.

E. Writer Thats true about the end of life. It's almost too late at that point after a lifetime of being a smoker. I agree. Claude is much better for chatting. Gpt is programmed to push back.

Roy Scarbrough I've noticed that GPT is programed to push back. That's sometimes useful, but the pushback is often from a misreading of my improvisational assertions. It has to misread what I said to find something it can pushback. It's like talking about politics at Zoetrope.

E. Writer So true. It's somewhat argumentative. I can argue with people if I was interested in that. I shouldn't say its argumentative, its a bit disagreeable.

King Charles III. His addressing congress is like grandpa showing up in hopes of persuading your divorcing parents to reconcile for the good of the children.

Meanwhile, the long tradition of the Western alliance founded on the European Enlightenment is crumbling as Putin and Xi signal thumbs ups.

E. Writer There were a was a lot of subtext in his speech.

Alex Morton King Charles came to Canada when he who shall not be named threatened to turn my country into a fifty-first state and slammed us with tariffs. The King spoke in Parliament to display to the world and remind us that we have a history, as part of a Commonwealth, that goes back in time far longer than the US has been in existence. Recently, it was the true underlying subtext of his speech before the clown show in the US. He reinforced the common values, goals, relationship to and with allies and a certain evolved attitude that has characterized the rise of civilization and its governing. It was a complete rebuke of the current attitude and actions of the US government. Done with style.

I've caught ChatGBT gaslighting me when I called it out for placing real time targeted ads based on the content of the conversation.

I was getting ads in the feed for hotel booking sites, and not just any hotels. I chatting about Florence Italy, where I like to travel, so the booking sites were sending ads about booking hotels in florence. I mentioned this, and it denied that advertisers have access to the content of chats and then fabricated a scenario where the ads were based on my recent browsing history on other sites. Not true. I've have not looked at any florence travel sites for days, and these spots were appearing in the chat in real time, and not until I mentioned the words "florence" and "hotel".
Not a big deal as I'm on the free plan. I'd be more annoyed if I were paying ChatGPT.

E. Writer Roy, I think Claude is a better option for you. I used ChatGPT, and if I were to anthropomorphize it, ChatGPT is a bit of a jerk lol. I had a conversation with it recently. I let it read three opening lines for my new book and an equation I created. It was a bit of a study. It immediately made incorrect claims about what my book was about before it actually read an excerpt. I told it, "I said, how do you know these things when you haven't read it?" It said, "fair enough." It had a very argumentative tone lol. I said, wow. Claude and Gemini are much better. communicators. That being said, I don't think GPT knows about the ads. That's probably something that randomly appears on the screen https://claude.ai/new I think, based on what I know about you and your character, Claude is much more thoughtful than GPT.

Roy Scarbrough I use them both.

There's an interesting labor phenomena going on in our times: A college-educated working class. They work in places like Starbucks and Amazon warehouses. Sometimes lead union organizing efforts. With studen debt to service, and little prospect for home ownership, they're mad as hell and don't want to take it anymore. Time will tell where this leads.

E. Writer A lot of jobs are gone because of AI. 10s of thousands of jobs. A lot of them coding jobs since AI can code in seconds will take a person days or weeks. Data related jobs. Some degrees have been rendered useless.

Andrew Morgan My student debt will be officially paid off next January. The month I turn 70.

Frank Hutton I made the right choice when I choose working in theater over college. Couldn't be sure of that @ the time, but still.

SJ Blues My girlfriend is still paying off her student debt and she's not even using her degree anymore :(

Roy Scarbrough I remember used to say that automation would mean that none of us would have to work full time in the future because efficiencies in productivity would create sustainable income across the population. Well, we know what happened, don't we? The wealth from increased productivity never got distributed across the labor pool Instead diverted toward billionaire accumulation, and stock values. Bummer.

Today I was thinking about Polish Pope John-Paul and the pivotal role he played in the collapse of authoritarian rule and restoration of democracy in central and eastern Europe. Time will tell what an American pope can do.

Darryl Shirley Good comment. He's a straight shooter. Look how he has expressed the gospel in contradiction of *%$#! use of biblical text to support war. And the so-called "&*^%#!" was exposed as an idiot for using a modified Pulp-Fiction movie line to justify violence and murder.

No shit. One of my favorite Youtubes

Darryl Shirley Home run commentary!!

Amber Diva I love John Cleese 😁

Pulp fiction is one of my favorite movies. I like the non sequential arc. I've experiencing some of that with the Ezekiel 25:17 "prayer" going viral all over again.

Frank Hutton I think "Life, funny as shit" is a quote from a notable flick, but the ether can't find it. Stupid ether.

E. Writer Pulp fiction is definitely one of Tarantino's best. I'd put it second only to Kill Bill.

Have you heard: iPods are hip again. I have three in junk drawers with old play lists as candidates for refurbishing. You can't buy a new one, but there's used selling like hot cakes on Ebay.
So, what do you plan to do with yours?

Andrew Morgan I still buy CDs bec I'm still driving my 2004 Honda Element and it has a player. And I used to pass them on to family members but now no one but me has a vehicle with a CD player.

Frank Hutton I buy the (very) occasional CD, but still have about 15 linear feet of vinyl too.

Roy Scarbrough All my vinyl is stored in the garage, as is the turn table and a model electric railroad from my childhood.

Roy Scarbrough All my vinyl is stored in the garage, as is the turn table and a model electric railroad from my childhood.

E. Writer I wish I kept my childhood vinyl. I have a record player and my favorite old school albums from Prince, The Beatles, Gladys Knight. To Thriller. That was my era.

Funny, and a little scary. Claude offered to make a dossier on me, so I said ok. Here's what it thinks I'm about.

Here’s what Claude remembers about you
Work context
Roy is a writer and journalist working independently on a multi-format humanities project. He is developing an OLLI (Osher Lifelong Learning Institute) course on Renaissance Florence built around Ruskin's Mornings in Florence, a solo humanities podcast called Renaissance Gaga, and a cluster of scholarly-creative essays centered on Freud's 1914 essay "The Moses of Michelangelo." He does not expect to re-enter the workforce full time and is pursuing this independent creative path with writing projects some of which are potentially monetizable.
Personal context
Roy lives in Ashland, Oregon, with a view across the Rogue Valley toward the Cascades. He is a practiced fiction writer with a Chekhovian aesthetic sensibility and a long-standing preference for the longer short story form. He has deep personal experience traveling in Italy — particularly Florence and Rome — returning across multiple life stages, and regards Florence as a kind of home. He began traveling independently at 18, inspired by reading Kerouac at 16, and spent extended periods backpacking through Europe with a journal in his early years. He plays bass guitar and acoustic/electric guitar, records in GarageBand, and has a fully equipped home recording setup.
Top of mind
Roy is actively composing an ekphrastic essay about a c. 1910–1912 photograph of Freud on his veranda at 19 Berggasse, building the piece paragraph by paragraph and working through the symbolic significance of the half-scale plaster cast of Michelangelo's Dying Slave and a Masolino da Panicale reproduction visible in the frame. He is also engaged with the intellectual and pedagogical preparation for his OLLI course, currently working through Ruskin's Mornings in Florence and developing lecture material — including a Monty Python–inflected framing of Ruskin as unreliable narrator — with a close focus on the Ghirlandaio Tornabuoni Chapel frescoes and the Spanish Chapel. An upcoming public AI panel at Southern Oregon University, connected to a board he serves on, is also on his radar.

Brief history
Recent months
Roy has been building out interconnected projects across several sustained conversations. For the Renaissance Gaga podcast, he has developed a scripted essay format, created a distinctive "monkey motif" using GarageBand's toccata organ patch for a Masolino episode, and worked through music licensing options (settling on Musicbed as a curatorial fit). He researched iMovie workflows for TikTok and YouTube image-and-music videos to build an audience before launch, with a planned debut from Florence in late September or October. The podcast name carries triple meaning: Renaissance art history, Radio Gaga/broadcasting, and enthusiast.
For the OLLI course, Roy has developed an eight-session framework using Ruskin as both primary text and critical target, with particular depth on Class 3 (Santa Maria Novella: Masaccio's Trinity, Alberti's facade, and Ghirlandaio's Tornabuoni Chapel). He has identified the layered temporal accumulation of Florence — Roman, medieval, Renaissance, Medicean, Fascist, contemporary — as the course's central argument against Ruskin's curated Protestant-museum reading. The obelisks on bronze tortoises in the SMN piazza, the Ponte Vecchio's wartime history, and the Mars tradition at Ponte Vecchio have been developed as classroom-ready illustrations. Cennini's Il Libro dell'Arte and Alberti's De Pictura will be read aloud in class.
Roy has original art historical research involving Barbary macaques in the Brancacci Chapel frescoes — a first figure on a tether and a second crouched on a laundry pole outside a second-floor window — supporting a publishable claim that exotic primate keeping was familiar across multiple social registers in early 15th-century Florence, not confined to elite menageries. The specific Masolino scene is the Raising of Tabitha and Healing of the Cripple.
For the Freud essay project, Roy has developed an argument that "The Moses of Michelangelo" functions as a tendentious joke in Freud's own technical sense — a gaslighting move against named critics (Justi, Knapp, Lübke) who unwittingly confirm Freud's counter-reading through their own inaccurate descriptions. Roy has also developed the biographical and psychological architecture: Freud's identification with Moses/Hannibal, his three-week daily engagement with the statue, the role of Minna Bernays as intellectual companion, and the argument that the essay's emotional core is longing to forgive Jung rather than achieved wisdom. A return trip to Rome and Florence — planned for around April–May as a generative research act before writing — is a key milestone, with standing before the Moses in San Pietro in Vincoli as a deliberate compositional preparation. Roy has also identified the photograph of Freud at home beneath a framed Masolino reproduction and beside a plaster cast of the Dying Slave (better understood, he argues, as a "Dreaming Youth" in a threshold state) as a structural hub connecting the Freud, Masolino, and Michelangelo threads.
Roy has been developing a rich theoretical framework connecting T.S. Eliot's "presence of the past" (Tradition and the Individual Talent), McLuhan's acoustic/visual space distinction, Renaissance painters' simultaneous depiction of multiple temporal registers within unified perspectival fields, and Freud's dream theory. Ruskin is read against this framework as a failure of Eliotic double vision — capable only of elegiac temporal structure. The OLLI course and podcast will argue this temporal consciousness is a universal human capacity found across non-European traditions, reframing the Renaissance as a concentrated local instance rather than the origin of Western civilization.
Additional intellectual threads in active development: a Proust-Ruskin essay contrasting Ruskin as Dominican (systematic, didactic) and Proust as Franciscan (enacting rather than explaining), with the Elstir studio passages and the opera house scene as key Proustian sites; connections between Freud's id (das Es), Kerouac's "IT," Proust's la petite phrase, and the dominant seventh chord's suspended resolution; and a Freudian/formal analysis of Coltrane's Giant Steps and A Love Supreme.
Roy is researching the Catasto — the 1427 Florentine tax declaration system — in connection with the Tribute Money fresco and Florentine fiscal history. Key scholarly resources include Herlihy and Klapisch-Zuber's Tuscans and Their Families, D.V. Kent and F.W. Kent's Neighbours and Neighbourhood in Renaissance Florence, and Eckstein's The District of the Green Dragon. The original portate are held at the Archivio di Stato in Florence.
For Italy travel, Roy departs from Medford (MFR) but regularly drives to SFO or PDX for better transatlantic connections. He strongly prefers FCO for departure due to reliability; FLR and MXP are acceptable arrival airports. He is open to open-jaw ticketing. His workflow is to use Going.com or Google Flights for fare alerts, then bring candidates to Claude for routing analysis. He prefers Swiss Air via Zurich as a transfer experience. Roy is planning a future multi-week trip including Florence, Rome, and Padua (intending to overnight for the Scrovegni Chapel, having regretted passing through without stopping on previous trips to Venice).
Earlier context
Roy developed his Freud/Moses project through an extended collaborative session treating Freud as a patient — using that conceit to excavate biographical, psychological, and cultural layers including the Julius II timber-throwing incident, the recursive structure of mercy from Julius to Michelangelo to the statue, and Freud's published anonymity as a marker of the essay's joke structure. He explored Peter Swales' 1982 piece "Freud, Minna Bernays, and the Conquest of Rome" as important pre-trip reading to establish where his argument is original.
Roy wrote and refined an Atlas Obscura submission about accidentally entering the Galleria Borghese alone and spending sixty seconds in Room 8 (the Silenus Room) with major Caravaggios including David with the Head of Goliath — developing the piece around Benjaminian aura, the solo traveler's dissociative heightened perception, and Caravaggio's biography as parallel fugitive narrative. He plans a longer podcast episode on the same material.
Roy has a deep relationship with the late Carol Bly (formerly married to Robert Bly, a member of a small online writers' circle Roy belonged to), whose craft advice shaped his development: never share work-in-progress with family; ground fiction in developmental stage psychology (Erikson, Kohlberg, Kegan); the "one more invention" principle. Roy's own aesthetic sensibility runs darker than Carol's redemptive register, closer to Chekhov.
Long-term background
Roy has decades of independent travel experience in Italy, beginning at 18 after Kerouac's On the Road inspired him to travel through Europe with a backpack and journal. He has a graduate-level humanities background with deep fluency in art history (Florentine Renaissance, Flemish, Impressionist), Victorian intellectual culture, literary modernism (Eliot, Pound, Woolf, Proust, James), psychoanalytic theory, and intellectual history. He thinks in cross-disciplinary connections, prefers exploratory intellectual dialogue over structured exposition, and consistently contributes original analytical observations rather than receiving received opinion. He identifies as both Freudian and Jungian in theoretical orientation. He has personal photographs of Florentine terracotta roof tiles taken from the top of Giotto's campanile, and has had a formative "reverse Stendhal" experience at the Piazzale Michelangelo — outward and collective rather than inward — which now functions as a permanent perceptual lens rather than a repeatable event.

E. Writer ooooh... so how does it know so much? Did it pull it from your history of chat conversations or from the internet?

Roy Scarbrough None of that is on the internet. It is entirely derivative of something I might have typed out in passing in "conversations" and "questions" I asked in connection with this or that possible project I was investigating. I will sometimes mention a personal recollection to reframe the content it initially delivers.

The specific travel plans are bogus. I recall it asking me when I'm going to Florence next. I say like Florence in April. It took that to mean I had actual travel plans scheduled for that month.

I have not committed to teaching the OLLI class any time this year, but when it offered to produce a course outline of something I could teach, it of course asked where I might teach it and to whom. It took that to mean I was close to teaching it. It's just something I'd like to do, and probably will.

E. Writer I'm surprised it could recall a previous chat. Usually they are prohibited from accessing past chats. But Google Gemini recently implemented personalization. I wonder if the other platforms are following suit.

Andrew Morgan Not to wade again into the simulacrum concept that's over my head, but it occurs to me that as AI training proceeds, it will continuously produce regurgitations of earlier training, and these regurgitations, or copies, will be recursively regurgitations of copies of regurgitations. Which is, of course, what 98% of undergraduate liberal arts theses have been forever anyhow. And why it's such a pleasure to find that rare scholar with the gifts and passion to condense some part of 2,500 years of Western canon into engaging inquiry.

E. Writer It sounds like you understand what simulacra is, and the concept. That's exactly it, copies of copies and AI is the essence of that. it is a simulacrum of humanity's collective intelligence. Not to mention that what we engage with daily is a copy of a copy. But when we realize it, we become uncomfortable with it. Which is why AI makes so many people uncomfortable. Even looking at the video it created ofa fake me with a British voice is highly uncomfortable. But I were to allow that face and voice to represent me, it will eventually replace me.

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